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Josh Slocum's avatar

I appreciate watching you grapple with these issues from the left. I did much the same, and so did many, as I was coming around (no, I'm not saying you are becoming, or have to become "a conservative", or end up where I did).

I hope you will continue to think about this and get to the point where you decide to stop using false terms like "trans girls" "trans women" and "cis people." You're still in it, Dave, the dishonesty. This is cult talk, and everyone who uses it knows deep down that it is cult talk. It's the inversion of the real. There is no such thing as any of this.

I know. The public response will be, "There's no reason for me to be disrespectful by calling them men." That's not really true. It's fear, not "fear of being disrespectful." Fear of being socially punished for not going along with it. Misplaced fear and guilt ("that guy I know who says he's trans will think I hate him, so I'm going to say 'trans woman' because deep down I'm worried that I'll be a morally bad person if I don't say it").

Every time people use these terms as if they were real, they are helping continue the lunatic cult of transgender ideology.

There are no "transgender" people. That's not real. Never has been real. Never will be. There are people who are mentally deluded, people who are traumatized, people who are narcissistic, and many variations. But none of these people are "trans."

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C. L. H. Daniels's avatar

Welcome to the party.

The thing is, the Democrats are not *only* the party of “trans rights”, they are *also and at the same time* the party of “women’s rights”. The problem is that these two constructs are in deep, apparently irreconcilable conflict over several policy areas, not just sports. (And on that, all I will say is that if the TRA’s weren’t such insanely zealous maximalists on every one of those issues, it would be really easy to come up with compromises that would probably easily be 80/20 positions with the public).

You know this is actually one of the issues that really pushed me away from the Democrats. Not sports specifically. For me it was actually all the crazy stuff going on with children. But suffice it to say that I’m actually very well read on these issues, including the sports stuff, as I’ve been following them closely for a decade or so.

Regarding that, the evidence is utterly incontrovertible that males have physical advantages over women that affect nearly all sports (bone density, lung capacity, cardiac capacity, muscle density, hand-eye coordination, spatial reasoning, height and weight, etc.). We can say “on average”, yes, but in sports the participants are not average. They are being selected for athletic ability. The higher up the chain you go (from, say, local rec league all the way up to professional sports) the more extreme the selection pressure gets such that if it’s something you’re watching on TV (other than local access), you can be sure that none of the people involved are merely average. And at the tail ends of the distribution, as in the Olympics, male advantages over females are way more dramatic than they are in the middle of the curve. Even in areas much closer to the mean it’s not that close. You mention soccer as being not a big deal, but did you know that the US Women’s National Team (one of the best women’s soccer teams in the world, by the way) has been defeated in exhibition matches by high school boys? Specifically they lost to a U-15 club squad (so not just any boys, but they still lost to a bunch of high school freshmen at the end of the day, and these of course were not just any adult women either, they were among the best of the best).

The problem for Democrats is that the “just desegregate everything” approach, while at least logically consistent and morally defensible from the standpoint of fairness, would effectively mean the end of women in sports. It would be the end of Title IX. You want to talk about 80/20 issues, I would guess that support for Title IX is somewhere in that vicinity. If you came out openly against it, you’d get slaughtered even worse than the Democrats already did, and mostly by your own majority female political base.

There is no shelter for the Democrats on this issue, no clever political maneuver that can reconcile these positions. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too, and they just can’t. It is functionally the definition of insane to purport to be an advocate for female safety and privacy rights (which are cornerstones of the feminist movement) while at the same being totally cool with moving convicted male sex offenders into women’s prisons just because they suddenly claim to be women (yes, this really happens, and yes female prisoners have been sexually assaulted as a result).

The Democratic approach to this issue has been to be quietly all-in on fulfilling the most maximal demands of the TRAs while at the same time gaslighting advocates of female rights (ie TERFs) into acquiescence. They believe they can get away with this because the trans population is small enough that most voters don’t personally end up on the wrong end of their policies, and a lot of the one who do are socially marginalized (like female prisoners) or sufficiently vulnerable to social coercion to keep quiet. Too bad they went and pissed off JK Rowling, who is neither of those things. And it just gets worse for them from there. The more attention normal people pay to these issues, the worse the Democrats look. As a matter of political survival, the TRAs have to be crushed. No, Democrats do not need to turn against trans rights entirely. They just need to come out on the 80 side of the handful of prominent 80/20 issues (ie employ common sense) and be willing to use that public support to completely marginalize and crush the most unreasonable of the activists. No males in women’s prisons or rape/violence shelters. No males in women’s sports. No drugs or surgery for minors. Voila, you’ve just largely detoxified the whole thing. It wouldn’t end the bathroom wars, but that’s an area where I don’t think there’s an 80/20 position, and so it can be a live political issue without killing the Democrats.

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