Will give this a longer read in the morning (it's late). But I remember saying to my wife back in late 2015 - something like..... the thing that Trump supporters love most about Trump is that the Left hates him.
I wasn't a Trump voter in 2016 (but was in 2024) and that's always been my favorite aspect of Trump. The Left hated him.
Can y'all please stop proving my point? Talking to you isn't fun or interesting. If you'd like to engage with my ideas/assertions "Common Sense Pushback to Far Left Lunacy caused Trump Wins" - I mean fine. I don't feel like discussing it - cause I don't want to hijack and Aged Well makes the argument better on his own. But your ad hominem attacks are just exhausting and make you look foolish.
I know the left is obsessed with credentials. I have two masters and i'm ABD on my PhD.
Only lunatics use their real name online. Never trust the government - and especially don't trust social media conglomerates :)
I'm not sure if spite is the right term. The Left is and was super annoying, stupid, nihilistic, and backward thinking.
Trump fans like other things about Trump, and his ideas. But the fact that the most annoying and useless people one earthly really didn't like him - well that was just gravy.
There's nothing specific in your words to even respond to.
No real American supports Trump. No real patriot supports Trump. Real Americans support democracy, the Constitution and rule of law, and freedom. Real patriots stand with their country when needed.
Trump tried to overthrow an election legally certified by every state. He lied to you about election fraud. You literally let him escape justice.
J6 was 100% wrong. Trump's job was to prevent it. He stood by and watched while Congress was evacuated and police were attacked. He incited violence against the VP because Pence refused to go along with the crimes. Trump LOVED J6. He pardoned violent criminals and seditionists.
Trump sides with Putin against freedom. We were the leader of the free world.
Trump called our fallen heroes suckers and losers. Maybe, we should change Memorial Day to Suckers and Losers Day. You voted for it.
Patriots do what they can to help country and their fellow citizens. In the Pandemic, that was being safe and getting vaccinated. MAGA did the opposite.
I really like this comment section usually as it's usually full of reasonable people who can speak the same language with each other.
I don't think you're one of these people, and you're proving my point about Trump. And maybe OP's point - I meant to do a full read today (I just skimmed it last night)
You and people like you are just exhausting. And you make me glad I finally voted for Trump. But there's no spite there - just exhaustion and annoyance.
you didn't write anything. you said a bunch of left-wing positions that everyone already knows, and before that you said real Americans and patriots don't support Trump. I don't want to get fancy and start some stupid No True Scotsman argument, but it's very obviously wrong, and childish, and a very clear case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Yes the annoying censorious right gets in the way of reinvigorating the left, which means getting rid of these stale Left commentators ekeing out their status using the same tired old tropes to the same old dumb audience.
The German Communist Party (KPD) quite literally helped to elect Hitler by refusing to ally with the Socialists in a Popular Front. To be clear, that doesn't mean the KPD is responsible for Hitler's crimes, but yes, leftists were partly responsible for his rise to power.
Given the Nazis’ mendacity, it can be hard to determine how much communist madness was real and how much of it was exaggerated, but it is absolutely the case that anti-communism, as well as antisemitism, was an animating force for the National Socialists, and a great driver of their popularity.
> The order in which I listed them represents their chronology, and Klion doesn’t appear to dispute that.
Then I will. Ever heard of Freedom Fries or the War on Christmas? Or the fact that we have no atheist politicians (even the Almighty Trump has to lie about having a favorite passage of the Bible to read upside-down)?
> writing about how horrible Trump is was never punishable by exile from polite society.
Wait, I thought the Republicans WERE polite society...
> They are very clear about why they’re okay with his speech chilling: they think the left did it first, and did it worse.
They also think exporters pay tariffs.
> Trump’s popularity is a backlash to the ‘woke’ left.
Backlash to us having a black president and almost having two female ones, first and foremost. But his popularity really isn't a backlash so much as a backwash. That's why his handlers/bail bondsmen have decided to end democracy: no country stupid enough to vote for this motherfucker twice even knows what democracy IS, so they figure we don't deserve to have one. And they're not wrong, really...
And the point is: why did centrists move towards trump..? Because the Democratic Party allowed the progressives to take over with their toxic ideology that put them off. And the extent to which these same centrists were appalled by what was happening on the left and tried to warn them that they were treading in dangerous waters.. that’s what you think is the ‘reason’ ?
We may need to clarify terms here. Are we talking about "give everyone healthcare!" progressives or "obsess constantly about race/gender!" progressives?
I will take issue with the comment that we are not historically treating guests in this way. The law cited by Rubio is eighty years old. This is exactly how the U.S. treats guests.
Neo Liberalism came about as a technique to counterbalance the established narrative of the Socialist Revolution that took place in The USA as a result of The Great Depression. WWII and the vast wealth it created was funneled into the USA by oligarch and fascist minions when they realized The US was inevitably going to win the war.
After that and The Cold War took place the path was clear for the upper 1% to get their political and economic power back. All it took was careful planning, social media manipulation, and lack of funding in national education (via The Dept of Education), to convince the ignorant US population that they needed another GOP savior (after The Nixon experiment failed ), they got Reagan, Bush, Bush#2 in (and with just a bit of help from a corrupt Bill Clinton), to solidify their power,all they had to do was ally with corrupt International fascist oligarchs (ala Putin), and start to place their hand licked and chosen assets (Trump et al), into positions of power and influence.
The trickle down ;( voodoo economics as Poppy Bush called it🤣), theory was growing old and worn: so they (The Neo (fake) Libs had to coordinate with the GOP and start focusing on the “Deep State”, the “immigration invasion”, and The War on Terror.
Bottom line ? It worked brilliantly.
Now ? They operate out in the open with little to no subterfuge:
OUT with OLD ( Progressive Democratic Socialist), FDR Agenda, and IN with ????:
MAGA!
With the new GenZs starving for newer and better leadership that will “ensure” them with “success” (as opposed to the failures of the older generation), and an “enemy” to blame it all ON
(Those dirty rotten Dems/ MAGA/ what EVER),
They’ve become very well entrenched by now.
The only thing to DIS lodge them???:
Will be similar to last time this happened:
The 1929 Crash and the resulting military conflicts world wide to destabilize things so throughly, that a “New” World Order will be a necessity.
And
YES, this bunch strategically plans in terms of decades and centuries to accomplish their goals and agendas.
Will give this a longer read in the morning (it's late). But I remember saying to my wife back in late 2015 - something like..... the thing that Trump supporters love most about Trump is that the Left hates him.
I wasn't a Trump voter in 2016 (but was in 2024) and that's always been my favorite aspect of Trump. The Left hated him.
That explains far more of his appeal than most on the left are ready to internalize.
No wonder you don’t have the balls to use your real name with that low of an education and social-emotional development.
Can y'all please stop proving my point? Talking to you isn't fun or interesting. If you'd like to engage with my ideas/assertions "Common Sense Pushback to Far Left Lunacy caused Trump Wins" - I mean fine. I don't feel like discussing it - cause I don't want to hijack and Aged Well makes the argument better on his own. But your ad hominem attacks are just exhausting and make you look foolish.
I know the left is obsessed with credentials. I have two masters and i'm ABD on my PhD.
Only lunatics use their real name online. Never trust the government - and especially don't trust social media conglomerates :)
I see Zero Evidence that you are a real human being posting good-faith sentiments here.
Can you prove you’re not a bot so other readers can value the words you type here?
Anyone who values the opinion of someone who's political philosophy is basically "neener neener" isn't someone I'd ever respect.
Spite is right. Nothing else mattered.
I'm not sure if spite is the right term. The Left is and was super annoying, stupid, nihilistic, and backward thinking.
Trump fans like other things about Trump, and his ideas. But the fact that the most annoying and useless people one earthly really didn't like him - well that was just gravy.
That's not spite that's.... bemusement.
I'm one of the centrists, yet I find you "super annoying" and spiteful as hell, like all of MAGA. Call it what you want.
There's nothing specific in your words to even respond to.
No real American supports Trump. No real patriot supports Trump. Real Americans support democracy, the Constitution and rule of law, and freedom. Real patriots stand with their country when needed.
Trump tried to overthrow an election legally certified by every state. He lied to you about election fraud. You literally let him escape justice.
J6 was 100% wrong. Trump's job was to prevent it. He stood by and watched while Congress was evacuated and police were attacked. He incited violence against the VP because Pence refused to go along with the crimes. Trump LOVED J6. He pardoned violent criminals and seditionists.
Trump sides with Putin against freedom. We were the leader of the free world.
Trump called our fallen heroes suckers and losers. Maybe, we should change Memorial Day to Suckers and Losers Day. You voted for it.
Patriots do what they can to help country and their fellow citizens. In the Pandemic, that was being safe and getting vaccinated. MAGA did the opposite.
Don't you regard as damning that despite all that, people still preferred him on style to the Democrats?
I really like this comment section usually as it's usually full of reasonable people who can speak the same language with each other.
I don't think you're one of these people, and you're proving my point about Trump. And maybe OP's point - I meant to do a full read today (I just skimmed it last night)
You and people like you are just exhausting. And you make me glad I finally voted for Trump. But there's no spite there - just exhaustion and annoyance.
It's ironic that you smear the left and then imply you're reasonable.
If you were reasonable, you'd address what I wrote. If there was anything wrong, it would've been easy for you to point out.
😁
you didn't write anything. you said a bunch of left-wing positions that everyone already knows, and before that you said real Americans and patriots don't support Trump. I don't want to get fancy and start some stupid No True Scotsman argument, but it's very obviously wrong, and childish, and a very clear case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm sure along the chronically immature on the left, that was Biden's appeal too.
Yes the annoying censorious right gets in the way of reinvigorating the left, which means getting rid of these stale Left commentators ekeing out their status using the same tired old tropes to the same old dumb audience.
jfc which lefties do you blame for Hitler?
The German Communist Party (KPD) quite literally helped to elect Hitler by refusing to ally with the Socialists in a Popular Front. To be clear, that doesn't mean the KPD is responsible for Hitler's crimes, but yes, leftists were partly responsible for his rise to power.
How can I be sure you’re not a disingenuous bot you check off all the evidence of a bad-faith profile
Given the Nazis’ mendacity, it can be hard to determine how much communist madness was real and how much of it was exaggerated, but it is absolutely the case that anti-communism, as well as antisemitism, was an animating force for the National Socialists, and a great driver of their popularity.
anything you type has Less Than Zero value
You check all the marks of a bad-faith bot account
> The order in which I listed them represents their chronology, and Klion doesn’t appear to dispute that.
Then I will. Ever heard of Freedom Fries or the War on Christmas? Or the fact that we have no atheist politicians (even the Almighty Trump has to lie about having a favorite passage of the Bible to read upside-down)?
> writing about how horrible Trump is was never punishable by exile from polite society.
Wait, I thought the Republicans WERE polite society...
> They are very clear about why they’re okay with his speech chilling: they think the left did it first, and did it worse.
They also think exporters pay tariffs.
> Trump’s popularity is a backlash to the ‘woke’ left.
Backlash to us having a black president and almost having two female ones, first and foremost. But his popularity really isn't a backlash so much as a backwash. That's why his handlers/bail bondsmen have decided to end democracy: no country stupid enough to vote for this motherfucker twice even knows what democracy IS, so they figure we don't deserve to have one. And they're not wrong, really...
No. Centrists enabled him along with the radicalized right. The left tried to oppose him and the centrists rose to halt any form of opposition.
Yes you should immediately determine anyone who disagrees with you is a non person.
And the point is: why did centrists move towards trump..? Because the Democratic Party allowed the progressives to take over with their toxic ideology that put them off. And the extent to which these same centrists were appalled by what was happening on the left and tried to warn them that they were treading in dangerous waters.. that’s what you think is the ‘reason’ ?
You are confusing the effects for the reason
Centrists were initially appalled by Trump. Quite a feat for Democrats to become annoying enough to push them back over the aisle.
No, that's not the correct assessment.
The Democratic party rejected the reasonable and popular policies of the progressives.
You don't get to blame the progressives for this.
Progressives are the answer. The centrists are the problem.
We may need to clarify terms here. Are we talking about "give everyone healthcare!" progressives or "obsess constantly about race/gender!" progressives?
weird though, that the voters answer seems to say otherwise. if the progressives are the answer, the democrats have lost me for good.
No, it doesn't
What is it about healthcare reform that you don't like?
But you sound like an NPC, so I likely won't respond again: https://www.citizen.org/news/progressive-policies-are-popular-policies/
You want to lose votes? Cause this is how you lose votes!
the centrists lose votes, they keep losing election after election
There is a Centerist party that lost the election?
Kamala was never going to be brave enough for something like that.
Go Trump! Humiliate the Signatories. Rub their faces in it.
No, stupidity did.
Leftism, globalism and corporatism created the voter opposition that has led to Trump.
I will take issue with the comment that we are not historically treating guests in this way. The law cited by Rubio is eighty years old. This is exactly how the U.S. treats guests.
The precedent for booting legal visitors over speech is even older than that, it's just not a power we typically exercise.
https://open.substack.com/pub/dennisonwrites/p/understanding-the-mahmoud-khalil?r=38gm6o&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
You make some valid points; one correction :
It was NEO Liberals who created him:
On time, and ON PURPOSE.
I'm open to this, but could you elaborate?
Neo Liberalism came about as a technique to counterbalance the established narrative of the Socialist Revolution that took place in The USA as a result of The Great Depression. WWII and the vast wealth it created was funneled into the USA by oligarch and fascist minions when they realized The US was inevitably going to win the war.
After that and The Cold War took place the path was clear for the upper 1% to get their political and economic power back. All it took was careful planning, social media manipulation, and lack of funding in national education (via The Dept of Education), to convince the ignorant US population that they needed another GOP savior (after The Nixon experiment failed ), they got Reagan, Bush, Bush#2 in (and with just a bit of help from a corrupt Bill Clinton), to solidify their power,all they had to do was ally with corrupt International fascist oligarchs (ala Putin), and start to place their hand licked and chosen assets (Trump et al), into positions of power and influence.
The trickle down ;( voodoo economics as Poppy Bush called it🤣), theory was growing old and worn: so they (The Neo (fake) Libs had to coordinate with the GOP and start focusing on the “Deep State”, the “immigration invasion”, and The War on Terror.
Bottom line ? It worked brilliantly.
Now ? They operate out in the open with little to no subterfuge:
OUT with OLD ( Progressive Democratic Socialist), FDR Agenda, and IN with ????:
MAGA!
With the new GenZs starving for newer and better leadership that will “ensure” them with “success” (as opposed to the failures of the older generation), and an “enemy” to blame it all ON
(Those dirty rotten Dems/ MAGA/ what EVER),
They’ve become very well entrenched by now.
The only thing to DIS lodge them???:
Will be similar to last time this happened:
The 1929 Crash and the resulting military conflicts world wide to destabilize things so throughly, that a “New” World Order will be a necessity.
And
YES, this bunch strategically plans in terms of decades and centuries to accomplish their goals and agendas.
Let’s see how far they get THIS time :
Shall we?????